The Oscars, the stars and the Law of Deservedness

The Oscars, the stars and the Law of Deservedness

The Oscars, the stars and the Law of Deservedness

The following is a transcript of Filippo Voltaggio – LIFEChanges with Filippo (LCWF) on the BBS Radio Network interviewing Celebrity Life Coach and Human Behavior Expert, Patrick Wanis Ph.D. for insights and analysis about The Oscars, the stars and the Law of Deservedness.

Recording:                  In an ever-changing world, Life Changes Network presents a voice of truth and inspiration broadcasting on frequencies of love, light, and information, illuminating new paths for new directions as we as one strive for higher and higher planes of existence, and a better understanding of ourselves in the world in which we live. Always remembering this is Life Changes. This is radio like you’ve never felt before. This is Life Changes with Filippo with tonight’s special guest, Patrick Wanis, celebrity life coach and human behavior and relationship expert PhD. And now your host, our emcee, the master of change, Filippo Voltaggio.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Ciao, everyone. The Oscars were yesterday. We’re going to be talking a lot about that with our guest, Patrick Wanis, tonight. But before we talk about the Oscars per se, you know, watching the parade of styles, what’s in, what’s not in, what’s fashionable, what’s cool, what’s looking great, reminds me of a little while back, I had some friends tell me, and granted, they admittedly call themselves shallow at times, tell me that I dress like their grandfather, and I needed to up the way I dress. Make it more cool. So we went shopping. And we were on this rack looking at jeans, and one of them said, “Now, this is the pair of jeans you should be wearing.” That pair of jeans had more holes in it than my old pair of jeans at home, and the ones that they wanted me to throw away looked newer than the ones they wanted me to spend, I don’t know, $200, $300 on. And I thought, “This is cool? This is hip? And here I was being criticized because my jeans had no holes in them.”

And then another pair of shoes that they had me looked at that were shoes that my parents could only afford to buy me at the time, and so I got teased because I wore those particular shoes or another pair of shoes that were all – they were all frayed like the shoes I used to wear because we couldn’t afford to buy new shoes as often as I needed them as a child, or thought I needed them. Who knew? I was really fashionable at the time. I had clothes that were starting to get holes on them, and my mother would patch them. I had shoes with holes on them, and I had shoes that had frays on them.


And I was not fashionable. I was teased a lot. And now, I’m being teased somewhat, it doesn’t hurt as much because my clothes are new, and they don’t have holes in them, and my shoes don’t have holes in them, my shoes aren’t frayed. Then I thought, “Wow, what happened? In a few short years, if I was wearing what I used to wear as a kid, I’d be cool.” But I grew up thinking I was uncool because that’s not what the kids wore back then. And is this really that important? Was it really important to tease me because I had holes in my clothes growing up or patched holes in some of them? Is it really important for me to dress with holes now in order for me to be cool? Is it really important for a star to be walking down the red carpet wearing this particular dress or that particular tuxedo made by this particular person or that particular person? And should we really be judging as who was the best dressed or the worse dressed? Those stars have feelings too, and we’re going to be talking about that. As a matter of fact, some of those stars probably got teased when they were kids too, and we’ll be talking about that I’m sure as well.


So I’m thinking I appreciate my friends telling me that they want me to look more cool and more hip. There’s nothing wrong with that. And their teasing, I took lightly. But I’m thinking more of the children. I’m thinking of the children, the ones that can afford to dress the way that other kids do, and ones that can’t afford to dress the way the other kids do. And I have a feeling that we might want to teach our children or share with our children that the way a person dresses, especially if they’re clean may be isn’t that much of a judge of character. And I think I turned out pretty good. Who knows? Maybe the teasing helped.

So anyway, with that, we’re going to be right back after this talking about celebrities, talking about deserveability, and talking about the Oscars with Patrick Wanis.

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Filippo Voltaggio:         You might not be able to tell this from the way he talks, but I’m going to give it away. Our guest is originally from Australia. He’s Patrick Wanis, PhD. He’s a celebrity life coach and hence why we’re going to be talking about the Oscars that just happened last night. He’s also an author. He’s an expert in human behavior and relationships and a clinical hypnotherapist. He’s also the creator of Subconscious Rapid Transformation therapy, which he calls SRTT, with a PhD in health psychology. [Click here to learn more about SRTT – Subconscious Rapid Transformation Technique – ]

Now, I have to mention this because he gets called on television all the time by all of these shows including Fox News, MSNBC, Extra, The Montel Williams Show. I mean the list goes on and on. When Michael Jackson died, Fox News or CNN went to him to ask him about his expert insight. So we have the guy who will give us the expert insight on the Oscars, the celebrities, and deserveability or deservedness. Here is Patrick Wanis.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughing].

Patrick Wanis:             You’re pausing like I need to do something. Do I do a dance?

Filippo Voltaggio:         I don’t know. Do you know a dance?

Patrick Wanis:             Oh, I do actually. I was also a professional dancer.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Oh, you were? That’s another story.

Patrick Wanis:             Yeah.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Okay. Well, last night was this big event, and I know you’ve been on several shows already today talking about the stars and the Oscars. So just before we start, give us your overview on what kind of a show we were watching last night.


Patrick Wanis:             Well, I don’t know that – to be completely open, I don’t think it matters what my opinion is about the show. What is more important is your opinion and the people that are listening and watching. I’ll just keep my perspective. I thought it was an awful show but that’s just my opinion. It doesn’t mean that it’s correct or incorrect. It’s just an opinion.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Noble, you say? In what sense?

Patrick Wanis:             No, awful.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Oh, awful. Oh, I’m sorry.

Patrick Wanis:             Well, because James Franco and Anne Hathaway were not great hosts. They don’t compare to Billy Crystal. I mean, you know, when Billy Crystal came out of there, everybody went nuts because like, “Oh, we’ve missed you.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             We also – you also have to look at the event. Why did they choose Anne Hathaway and James Franco? Of course, they have got current movies but television right now is going for the younger demographic as much as they can because the younger demographic isn’t watching television.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             They were going to the internet.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             So the only way that they – that they’re saying, “How do we get the 25 to 39 age group or even the 18 to 35 age group?” So they get the younger people, you know, James Franco and Anne Hathaway. The problem is that they alienate most of their audience because they weren’t really talented.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Well actually…

Patrick Wanis:             They’re not in that position…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right, because they are talented.

Patrick Wanis:             Yeah, but we’re talking about that talent. I mean…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             … you’re extremely talented. Obviously, the musically, I can see the piano, but if I said, “You build me the house.” You might go, “I have no idea.” That means you’re not talented as a builder, but you might be very talented as a pianist or someone else.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             So that was the first challenge. You mentioned something interesting about fashion and the Oscars, and you know, people make such a big thing about what is this person wearing and how much does it cost? Okay, personally, I don’t care. Having said that, you said something else that was very significant, you talked about growing up as a child and wearing certain clothes and being teased for them and then going through the same experience as an adult. Nothing that we really do has any meaning or significance except for the meaning and significance to which we give out.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             So the jeans that are now $300 by 7 and True Religion and all these brands…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right

Patrick Wanis:             … that have got rips and holes, it’s because the majority is saying we think that this is good.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And so what do we do? We fall into the majority and say it’s good because everyone else says it’s good.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And what we forget is the [0:12:25] [Indiscernible] in The Devil Wears Prada. Who makes the decision that this year jeans with vertical rips are hip and cool?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             It’s some cool designer or maybe an uncool designer somewhere in a little shop saying, I think I’m going to make this hole in here and then people are going to love the color.” And then suddenly, that’s the color you get. And it was a great – it was very well put and explained in The Devil Wears Prada when the character says, “So you chose the blue sweater from the bargain bin, and you thought that you were deciding what you’re going to wear. But you chose something that was in the bargain bin.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             Meaning you didn’t create it. You still had to choose from what was put in front of you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             So my point is, is it any different when someone says, “Oh, I’m a nonconformist. I don’t wear all these brand names.” But then when they go to a little hip store, maybe in Venice Beach or wherever they are and whatever part of the country or world they’re in, and they choose some other design. Is it any different?

Filippo Voltaggio:         It’s kind of like the girls – the young girls that used to dress like Madonna and say, “I’m expressing myself.”

Patrick Wanis:             Right. And I’m saying that there is no black and white answer to this but you need to look inside yourself and ask yourself the question, why do I wear what I wear? Who decides whether it’s cool and who cares? I truly don’t care. I mean obviously, it’s like Don Miguel Ruiz with The Four Agreements.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And he raises a good point. And I always look for the balance because I think in The Four Agreements, he goes to an extreme when he says, “Don’t even take anything personally and who cares what anyone else thinks?” That’s partially true, but not completely true. If I didn’t care at all about what other people think, I might have no respect for anyone else. I might not even think about the consequences of my actions. I might be disrespectful, rude, and inconsiderate. You need to find the balance. So for me, I’d say, “Oh, I don’t really care what people think.” But obviously, if someone gives me a compliment, I’m going to say, “I don’t care what you think. I’ve read Don Miguel Ruiz. I don’t need your approval.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             [0:14:30] [Inaudible] And I’m going to be rude instead of saying thank you very much. What if anyone says to you, “As a gift, you decide are you going to choose that gift or send it away or put it away?” So you decide what you’re going to give mean to what you’re going to give mean.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             You know, I selected this jacket. I just bought this because…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Very nice jacket, by the way.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you. And I…

Filippo Voltaggio:         You look Italian almost.

Patrick Wanis:             Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Okay.

Patrick Wanis:             … when I put it on. And I think it’s really nice. Now if someone compliments me, I’ll accept the compliment because I want to be a good receiver.


If someone goes, “Ugh, that’s a stupid jacket. That’s really outdated. That looks like it could be in the 80s or the 90s.” I’ll go okay because I’m not attaching my value to what you’re saying about me. I don’t want to pull in the celebrity since we’re talking about celebrities.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             Most of the interviews that are being given today were not so much about the Oscars as they were about Charlie Sheen. And it’s interesting because in a very lengthy interview, he said when someone was questioning him about his success, his present state of mind, he said, “Well, the car that I drive and the girls that I have.” What he was just telling everyone is my value is determined by the car I’m driving…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             … and the girls that surround me.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             My value is determined purely externally which is why he’s turning to drugs, which is why he’s completely lost because he has no inner value. I’m not saying he doesn’t have value. I’m saying he can’t find his own value.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Inside.

Patrick Wanis:             Inside. Look, we’re always affected by what’s outside of us. It’s absolutely absurd to say, “I am an enlightened being. I’m not affected by anything around me.” Well then go to another planet. Go fly away. You are affected.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             That’s why we choose a certain furniture. We choose ionized water. We choose organic food. We choose to live in this kind of house and we want to climb the mountain because the external does affect the internal. The problem is when we let the external completely control and determine our internal. There has to be a balance.


Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             How can I say when I’m sitting on top of a beautiful majestic mountain overlooking the ocean, and the sun is shining, and the water is glittering, and the sun is flapping and dancing in the water? How can I say I’m not affected by that in a positive way?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             Of course, I am. And how can I say, as I watch children around me starving as I did in Africa – when I went to West Africa, how can I say as I see them dying from malnutrition or dying from a lack of hygiene, how can I say I’m not affected because nothing outside of me affects me?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             It’s completely absurd. I think that what the great, what the teachers teach that is great is when you take the pearls of wisdom and you find the balance and the essence of the teaching, you don’t take it to an extreme. And that’s where so many teachers have made the mistake. And imagine what they say when we study the Law of Deservedness, the Law of Attraction…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             … because I’d love also to talk about James Arthur Ray.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Well actually, right, but sticking to you – mentioned Charlie Sheen, so he might have been like one of those actors that maybe got teased as a child or it was something that he did not find his own value and so he was looking for, as you say, maybe outside of himself?

Patrick Wanis:             That’s a great point. Most – there are really 2 kinds, may be 3 kinds of celebrities. There’s the celebrities who set out to become a celebrity. There’s the celebrities who become a celebrity as a by-product of their art. That’s the person – like Robert De Niro who’s really primarily focused and interested in his art.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             And then he becomes famous and that’s the by-product of his art. The third kind of celebrity is the person that sets out to get attention, not necessarily become famous or become a celebrity, but he wants attention to try and fill the inner emptiness.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             That’s the person that could be an actor, a singer, or a dancer, a musician who had no voice and no [0:18:28] [Inaudible], who had no way of expressing themselves. A classic example, I’ve often used this one is Boy George. Now I know we’re talking about an 80’s icon who’s still around and was worshipped by Rosie O’Donnell.

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             And he – the reason I’m using him is because he’s an extreme. And I could also use Michael Jackson too, but Boy George dressed up androgynously, and his makeup was over the top. You couldn’t tell if he was a boy or a girl. He said in an interview and he explained very clearly the whole reason he became a singer was because in his house, at the table, at the kitchen table, the dining table, he had no voice. He was not allowed to say anything.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             He had no expression. So what do I do when no one’s listening? I speak louder or I do something to get more attention, or I sing, or I dress up to possibly rebel against you because you, my parents, are very strict and you’re telling me, “This is the box you must live in,” and I’m saying, “I want to smash the box.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             I want to do what I want to do.” Again, it comes back to one of my key principles, find the balance. The balance between I have an expression, I want to share that, I want to give that versus all I want to do is rebel and say you can’t tell me how to express myself, so I’m going to paint my face different colors and dye my hair and wear different colors just to prove to you that you can’t control me, and to prove to you I’m different. But I still don’t know who I am. I don’t know what my identity is.


Charlie Sheen has had many challenges. I haven’t spoken with him and sat down with him to say, “Okay, what is it you want that you don’t yet have other than obviously inner peace?” But he definitely has anger and a rage. I mean it’s extremely obvious. He obviously has anger and rage at women because he’s hit women. He pleaded guilty to assaulting his wife, Brook Mueller.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             That means if we’re going to be without becoming pop psychologists, but if we go back to his childhood, there’s something missing that he’s trying to get.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             If I don’t get approval and acceptance as a child from my brothers, my sisters, my parents, my peers, I’ll spend my whole life trying to get that approval. If I get hit as a child …


Filippo Voltaggio:         Not necessarily from your parents or your peers…

Patrick Wanis:             … but from people around me…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah.

Patrick Wanis:             … to try and make up for them. Another example is I’m raised as a child, I’m beaten. I’m raised with very strict parents and I’m controlled, and I’m beaten, I’m abused. I will end up in a relationship where I am beaten and abused and possibly controlled. First because it might be my twisted definition and version of love, and second because that’s what I also believe I deserve and because I don’t think I deserve anything better than that.

Filippo Voltaggio:         You know, you’re saying so much that’s so important, and interestingly, you’re giving me the other side of what I was just about to say, and that is so many people look at the celebrities as role models …

Patrick Wanis:             Yeah.

Filippo Voltaggio:         … and especially last night, this is the biggest night for Hollywood, and of course, everybody is in their best behavior and dressed to the nines, etcetera, and so many people say I want to be that or I want to look like that. I want to do that. I want to wear that. And yet you’re saying that so many of these celebrities are showing classic signs of having failed or having issues, and that actually could be a lesson to us since they’re there to look at anyway.

Patrick Wanis:             Filippo, you’ve raised so many points. I want to try and start at the top. First thing is, I think that you have to be very careful anytime you make anyone a role model. One of the things that I teach, going back again to balance, is separate the art from the artist. Separate the teacher from the message. Separate the guru from the teacher. And I personally don’t like to call people gurus. People called me guru. I don’t like that term. What I’m saying is listen for the pearls of wisdom.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             But be careful that you don’t think that this is the oyster, that because I have a great message therefore, I’m a great person. Now I don’t want you to think that. I want you to look at me and still recognize I’m a human being. I have insecurities. I have self doubts. I make mistakes. I’m imperfect. But guess what? I have to give. My gift might be my message. Your gift might be your musical message and expression. Someone else’s gift might be their cookie. Someone else’s gift might be their words, might be their very presence. But separate the art from the artist.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Interesting.


Patrick Wanis:             With the exception, when the artist’s personal life starts destroying their art or starts endangering other people. I say that about Mel Gibson. I also, in the beginning, say that about Charlie Sheen before the violence came into. Appreciate the actor as an actor. What he does in his own personal time is his business, but once he starts committing violence or endangering other people, then it’s time to say the art is irrelevant.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             We now have to look at you, the artist, and say, “What are you doing that’s right? What are you doing that’s wrong?” The same applies to so many of these teachers. Why do we choose – I mean I have the answer, but it’s a rhetorical question. Why do we choose to put all these teachers, the ones that we clap for half an hour, standing up because they’re on a stage, whether it’s Jack Canfield, Deepak Chopra, Janet Attwood, me, you, anyone. I’m not even putting myself in the same levels, I’m just saying why do we worship them? Don’t worship them. Don’t put them on pedestal because they’ll take themselves down or you’ll take them down.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Are you getting to James?

Patrick Wanis:             Yes. Now there’s two reasons here because this – now I’m going to tie this into the celebrity. You said, do we make celebrities role models? Well we’re doing that anyway. Even in the world of self-help and personal development, we do that all the time. We have our own celebrities. Oh, I want to get my books signed by so and so. Oh, I want to go and hear so and so speak. And we go gaga over them. Is that any different than the average person that goes gaga over celebrity? It’s not when you place them on a pedestal and you think they’re superior. The message might be superior.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And don’t think that every teacher is a student in their own teaching. They’re not always. The same applies to celebrities. Then you said, “Well, when you see celebrities out there Patrick, you’re telling us that they have issues.” We all have issues. If you think we don’t then that’s your issue if you think we don’t have issue. Every one of us has an issue. Every one of us has insecurity. The challenge for celebrities is if they’ve been motivated by insecurity to prove something to their parents to get their parent’s approval, they say, “Look mom, [0:25:00] I am great. I can do what I want. Look how much attention I’m getting.” And, or, being the celebrity then exaggerates and amplifies, magnifies, and exacerbates all of their problems.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             More money makes you more of who you are. The more money you have the more you become who you really are. It won’t necessarily change you. Hollywood does make you more of who you are, and if you’re not grounded, and you don’t stay humble, and you don’t remind yourself that your primary mission is to express your gift and share your gift and make a positive difference, if you don’t constantly remind  yourself with that, you’ll think you’re a god. You’ll think you’re superior. Then you become narcissistic and entitled. I talked about that with Tiger Woods. The very first time the scandal came out about Tiger Woods having an affair with another woman, they called me on radio and they said, “Do you think he’s a sex addict?” I said, “No. Why would you even think that?” Rock stars sleep with more women in the weekend, but no one calls them a sex addict.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             However, I said, “I bet you he stopped meditating. I bet you he lost his faith. Something has happened because this guy used to meditate everyday and that’s how he became so great at golf.” And I said, “He’s become a narcissist. He’s become entitled. He’s lost his faith. He’s lost his way and he’s become self-absorbed and self-indulgent.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Wow.

Patrick Wanis:             What does he say in his press conference about three months later?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             I became a narcissistic. I became entitled. I lost my way. I lost my faith. I stopped meditating and I realized that I had so much power I thought I could do whatever I want. That’s everything that I teach, what I call the fame factor, delusions of grandeur and denial, and the belief that you start to believe your own press. Your publicist tells you how great you are and you keep reading and you go yes, I am great, I’m great, I’m great, I’m great, I’m great, then you start looking down at other people and you become like Charlie Sheen and you say, “They’re all losers. I’m a winner.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             But underneath, he doesn’t even believe that because narcissism comes from deep deficits in your self esteem.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Why, you’re really breaking it down.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         And what a gift you’re giving to people who get lost in that or want to be something and then get lost in that as well. You know, when we come back, you, I know have an answer to the celebrities that get up there and say, of course, we’ve all learned about the Law of Attraction, right? So if we think of something, we can attract it. So then, you get these celebrities that go up there and say, “Oh, I never expected this to happen.”

Patrick Wanis:             I never imagined it in my life.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Wait a minute, if you never imagined it, but I’ve been imagining it all my life, how come you have the Oscar and I don’t? So when we come back, you have a different law that you say is even more important than the law of attraction, and we’ll talk about that with Patrick Wanis when we come back.

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Filippo Voltaggio:         We’re back. I’m Filippo Voltaggio with Life Changes with Filippo here on the BBS Radio Network presented by Life Changes Network, and we’re talking to Patrick Wanis, who is a celebrity life coach. He’s an author. He’s an expert in human behavior. As a matter of fact, you’ve probably heard some of his expertise coming out in great style. You can actually learn more about him at his website That’s Patrick, Wanis spelled W-A-N-I-S .com, and there you could also get a few of his books. He’s got several out. As a matter of fact, they’ve been read by millions of people both in English and in Spanish. You can get, Get What You Want or you can get, Get Over It, or What a Woman Wants. So it’s all there at

So Patrick, we started to talk about before the break, celebrities that say things like, I never expected to win. How is that the law of attraction at work?


Patrick Wanis:             It’s very interesting, and a classic example is Annette Bening, who’s a four-time Academy nominee in saying, “I never imagined my life like this. I never expected it to be this.” Then you have someone like Cam Newton, who’s a footballer, a Heisman Trophy winner, who also said the same thing, “I never expected this to happen. I never believed it possible.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And then you have other people like Dianne Wiest, the famous actress who says – and I couldn’t tell if she was joking when she says this but she says, “This wasn’t the way I imagined it in my bathtub.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             And what she’s saying is, you know and other celebrities have said it specifically, “I’ve dreamt about this day since being a child, you know, center in the bathtub, thinking, wow, collecting my Oscar.” Many of others who didn’t talk about it at all.

Here’s another classic quotation and then I’ll answer your question. Russell Crowe in 2000 won the Academy Award for Best Actor for Gladiator.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             And in collecting the award, he gave a very short speech, spoke from his heart, spoke with humility, and he also spoke with gratitude when he said, “Growing up in the suburbs of Sydney or Auckland or anywhere in the world, a dream like this is vaguely ludicrous and completely unattainable.” He says, “But for all those,” and then he talks about but this, referring to this night, this moment, is directly connected to those childhood imaginings. And then he says, “For all of those of you who are on the down side of advantage and are utterly relying on courage, it’s possible.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             Now what he’s telling you is that he did imagine it. He did think, even though he says it’s ludicrous, it’s unattainable, but he had some imagining. He also tells you he depended on courage, and then he also tells that he believed it was possible, but he never focused on I want to be a star. This is where I’m leading to.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             I teach the Law of Deservedness. The Law of Deservedness states and this is something that I’ve coined, a phrase I coined before The Secret came out actually, that you get only what you subconsciously believe you deserve and you won’t get any more, and if you do get more of your life and not enjoy it, turned to drugs like Charlie Sheen and all the others…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             … you’ll sabotage it like Charlie Sheen and the others or you’ll push it away. Think of the women who end up in one bad relationship after another.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Does Lindsay Lohan fall in there somewhere?

Patrick Wanis:             Yes, she does, and the reason she falls in that category is because of what she experienced as a child with her relationship with her parents. Her parents were more interested in themselves than they were in her. They didn’t say, “You’re our child so we want to give to you.” They said, “You’re our child, we want to take from you.” Meaning, we’re using you as a stepping stone for us. If a child doesn’t get the basic needs, validation, acceptance, approval, recognition, a sense of belonging, praise, encouragement, guidance, direction, and discipline in boundaries, then obviously, that child is going to grow up thinking that there’s something wrong with them. Having said that, none of us have a completely perfect childhood. We understand that. But some have a more dysfunctional childhood than others. Having said that, I’ll give you this as an example to explain a bit more about the Law of Deservedness.

When parents divorce, their child or children will always blame themselves at a subconscious level, and I know this because I work with the adults who tell me about when they were children, 5, 6, 4 years of age, and they always think, “My parents divorced. It must have been my fault. My parent is leaving. They’re leaving me.” Not they’re leaving the marriage or the other person. They’re leaving me. “My parents are arguing. It must be my fault.” Because a child actually thinks that they can control mom and dad. And in fact, if mom and dad are sad or depressed or unhealthy, the child grows up with his guilt complex of I want to make my parents happy. I want my mom to be happy. I want her to be healthy. I want my father to be this. I want him to be that.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             So adults have expectations of children but children equally have expectations of adults. And if the adults don’t, in a balanced way, teach the child that you are good enough, you deserve success, then the child is either not going to strive for success, not going to try to get success, and if they do, they won’t enjoy it or they’ll sabotage it.

Now I’m not going to the other extreme, which is the people today that say, “Oh [0:35:00] [Indiscernible] wonderful they are. How great they are.” No, don’t tell them that if they’re not great or wonderful. If their behavior is wrong and it’s disrespectful, then you correct that behavior. Correct the behavior without telling the kid that they’re bad.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             It’s about balance.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             You have to have boundaries. You can’t say to the kid…

Filippo Voltaggio:         So the behavior can be bad but don’t make the child …

Patrick Wanis:             See, if I say to you, “What you did was really wrong. You just hurt your sister. Look at your sister. This is what you did to your sister because when you hit her, you hurt her. What you just did was wrong. I still love you, but understand that everything you do has a consequence. You hit her, the consequence is she’s hurt. You hit her, the second consequence is time now for you in the corner, or you’re not going to get to go out, or whatever it is.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             So you’re teaching them also that there’s cause and effect.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And this is the example of Russell Crowe, cause and effect, meaning that he took action. See, one of the criticisms about Law of Attraction was that in many ways, it was promoted as fantasy, as a dream versus a vision to which you apply energy and action. I can’t sit there on the beach going, “Oh, one day, I’m going to be a great actor. I’m going to be a great actor.” And say, “Have they arrived yet? Where is the casting director? I’m here. Where’s Steven Spielberg?”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             I have to get up off the sand. I have to go and take acting classes. Even though I’m not taking acting classes, I have to go for an audition. I have to actually walk the streets. And if someone says, like they did to [0:36:36] [Inaudible], “Would you like to audition for this part.” I have to say yes or no. I have to take action. I’m responsible for my manifestation.

The next thing is I do have to believe it’s possible. I don’t have to know how I’m going to do it, but I have to say I’m going to do it. Russell Crowe talked about courage. Courage is acting in spite of fear. That means I’m afraid, I’m doubting myself, but I’m going to do it anyway. There is no way in the world that in every moment you can have 100% self-confidence, self-assurance. How can you do that when you’ve never ridden a bike before when you were a kid? How can you do that when you were in front of a stage with 10,000 people and you’ve never been in front of a stage with 10,000 people? You are going to have abundance of self-doubt, but you’re acting in spite of fear.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             The other thing is that you’ve got to emotionalize what you’re doing. And the final one for me, and you obviously have to visualize it too, but this is the most important one then I want to talk about this with a little more detail in a moment. What are you focused on? Are you focused on the Los Angeles motto? Hello, what can you do for me?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             Or are you focused on how can I fulfill my potential? How can I make a positive difference in this world?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             How can I use my gifts and talents? You see, people like Russell Crowe weren’t focusing on I want to get the award. They weren’t focusing on I want to get the accolades. They were focusing on finding the opportunity to express their art at the highest level. That’s what he was talking about when he talks about childhood imaginings. He’s not saying imagining me being a great star and walking on the stage in my wonderful flowing robes and getting awards. No. He was talking about coming from a little suburb in Sydney or Auckland, making it to Los Angeles, getting great big parts and then being recognized and respected and validated by your peers because that’s what the Oscars are.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Now how does the Law of Deservedness fit into that?

Patrick Wanis:             Well, if he’s a person that doesn’t believe he deserves the success or doesn’t think he’s good enough, he won’t take any action. He won’t even – he might put the poster up on the wall, but he’ll ignore it. He will subconsciously say, “I don’t deserve it.” You see, you can put the poster up on the wall of you having whatever it is you want, being thin or slim, or being rich.


Filippo Voltaggio:         Like a vision board, you mean?


Patrick Wanis:             A vision board.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             And 25 years ago, it was called a treasure map.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Okay.

Patrick Wanis:             See, a lot of people think oh, this is new. No, it’s not. Thirty something years ago, I’m trying to remember the guy’s name, he was teaching it. And it was called Treasure Map, same thing. Nonetheless, you can put up on the board, but subconsciously, every time he walked past there, there’s a message that says, that’s not for you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             It might be your mother’s voice, your father’s voice saying, “You’re not good enough.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah, you look at it and you were saying, “Yeah, right.”

Patrick Wanis:             Or you say, “Yeah, right.” You just cancelled it out.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah.

Patrick Wanis:             Now you can sit every night and go, “I am rich. I am thin. I am happy. I’m healthy.” But the emotion, you canceled that out in a second when the deeper belief that was ingrained in you from the chart says, “You don’t deserve to be thin. You don’t deserve to be happy.” Or, if you become thin, people will love you for the wrong reasons, or you get attention or you mom said, “You shouldn’t get that attention. Don’t dress like that. You’re attracting boys.” You see what I’m saying?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh. So despite that though, people do end up getting thin or people do end up getting rich, and you’re saying if they still don’t feel they deserve it then…


Patrick Wanis:             They’ll turn to drugs. They’ll turn to drugs. They’ll turn to alcohol. They’ll turn to substance abuse then they will sabotage their own career. Charlie Sheen has so many unresolved issues. Obviously, some towards women, obviously issues with his father. Obviously, he’s tried to escape a reality and he’s trying to create a new emotion. But there’s so much stuff that he hasn’t dealt with that the success is meaningless. What did he say to you? I drive a great car. I’ve got lots of girls. Because he’s saying to you, inside I feel empty. I can’t find what I like about myself.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             So I’m going to go to the state of delusion and I’m going to talk about having a 10,000-year-old brain and having, tiger blood, and a donor’s DNA, and you people with normal brain, you can’t understand me, you cannot process me. It’s not just the drug speaking. It’s his deeper belief. It’s the narcissism. So if you push yourself to take action, and you visualize, and you emotionalize, and you believe it’s possible, and you get it. If at a deep emotional subconscious level you don’t believe that you deserve that, that you’re not good enough to have it, or that there’s something wrong with you, or missing in you, you’ll sabotage it. You’ll push it away. That’s why women, some girls are not attracted to men that treat them well.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             Because they believe at a deeper level, they should be treated like crap. They’ll say, “He treats me so well, but I don’t know. I’m just not attracted to him.” Then along comes the bad boy that she’s either trying to change, that she wants to mold and control, or she thinks that that’s what she deserves to be hit or treated crap or treated poorly.

So the Law of Attraction in itself isn’t enough. You have to believe that you deserve it. Now, you can also override a lot of the self-doubt and even the guilt, and the blame, and oh, I’m not good enough if you focus on how you can help other people.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Oh, interesting.

Patrick Wanis:             See, if I focus on my message, I can just – look, I have doubts. Today, I was driving to a TV interview. It was with the national morning show, the number one national TV morning show in Australia. That’s my home country. Now, would you believe this?

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             I don’t get nervous when I’m on Fox News, MSNBC, or any of the biggest networks in America, but when it comes time to be on Australian television, I’m shaking in my boots.

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             I’m like…

Filippo Voltaggio:         Your people are watching you.

Patrick Wanis:             And my brother says to me, “Patrick, why do you keep swallowing like that. What’s wrong with you? Don’t you drink water?” I said, “No, I’m nervous.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         You haven’t swallowed once this whole time.

Patrick Wanis:             Because I’m not nervous.

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             And he says to me – and I said, “Well, that’s because I’m nervous.” He goes, “What?” I go, yeah. Because obviously, I have insecurity when it comes to being in front of my country, which means that’s triggering for me my own self-doubt. It’s not triggered here in America as much.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             I mean, obviously, it will be, but I have to remind myself. Patrick, why are you here? Is this about you or is it about what you’re going to say?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             See, I don’t ever, ever, ever get nervous when I’m doing therapy ever. You can put the hottest case in front of me and I’ll never get nervous because that is the only moment that I believe I’m in my purest state. I’m not thinking about me at all. I’m not thinking, will he like me? Will he approve of me? Will he accept me? Will he want to work with me again? Will this work? I get into, you know, what they typically call the zone which simply means I relax, and I listen, and I’m right there. I’m feeling everything he’s saying. I’m sensing. I’m even visualizing some of the things that person’s visualizing. I’m connected.

Filippo Voltaggio:         I’m so right here with you that I haven’t been thinking about myself or the fact that we’re supposed to be breaking for our commercial. So hold that thought. We’ll have a few minutes to recap at the end here after this.

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Filippo Voltaggio:         And we’re back. I’m Filippo Voltaggio and we’re talking to Patrick Wanis. Again, I want to remind you that you can go to That’s W-A-N-I-S dot com to learn more about Patrick, and also to see his videos in which he’s on television talking about other celebrities. And one of the things I like is that you’re not putting them down. You are using them as examples, or you are actually giving advice to them on camera, and hopefully, they’re listening. There is one person that you mentioned that we wanted to touch on, and since he has been so important to the…

Patrick Wanis:             Self-help?

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yes, self-help, and to the Law of Attraction and all that stuff, I want to make sure that we touch on James.

Patrick Wanis:             James Arthur Ray.

Filippo Voltaggio:         James Arthur Ray.

Patrick Wanis:             He was on The Secret. And this is really – this is a classic example because you say, “Well, Law of Attraction, if Law of Attraction is the only thing necessary, how did James Arthur Ray attract into his world, into his reality three deaths, sickness, lawsuits, loss of money, loss of credibility? How did he do that? Did he have a vision board that say everyday, “I’m going to attract murders. People are going to die around me. I’m going to be sued. I’m not going to end up in jail.” Did he do that? And then you have to ask yourself another question. What about stalkers? Stalkers have pictures of say, Julia Roberts. If it’s a stalker who’s stalking Julia Roberts, the whole world is full of Julia Roberts. The person has watched every film. They know every line. They visualize. They fantasize every day, every moment about that person but they don’t end up having a relationship with them. So is it just about visualizing?

In the case of James Arthur Ray, a part of it is our fault because we made him a guru. It goes back to what I said in the beginning. Don’t make anyone a guru. Listen to the message. The second challenge is that I personally feel, my opinion, is that James Arthur Ray got caught up in the hype because a lot of people who market to the self-help personal development audience want to say that they’ve got something that no one else knows. I have the secret. They love the word the secret not just for the film and the book but for everything. He talked about I went to – I climbed Peru or wherever he went out. I don’t know where he went, [0:47:40] [Inaudible]. He climbed somewhere in spring. He’s meditating on the rain, connecting with the gods, going back in time, and I have a message that no one else has. No, you don’t because we don’t need to learn anything new. We need to unlearn everything we’re being taught.

Most of what we’ve been taught is lies. We come into pure state. Do we need to learn much else? We need to learn how to talk and walk to connect and communicate. But really, we need to unlearn all the lies that are being taught to us about our own limitations rather than our own potential. I think James Arthur Ray got caught up in believing his own hype just like other celebrities do.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Patrick Wanis:             Like celebrities do. And I think that what happened for him was he started believing that he was a god. And I’m not a god. You know, we might talk about there is a divinity within us. There is a spark. Yes. But when you start to promote yourself as a god, you’re saying, “I’m superior to you,” that’s not acknowledging the divinity in you, or the divinity in me, or that we’re all creations of a god or a higher power.

Filippo Voltaggio:         So what happened to him was what? A retaliation of the gods?

Patrick Wanis:             No, no, no, not at all. I’m saying that you create your own reality via your actions, via your thoughts, via your emotions. If you are thinking primarily about greed, I’m going to charge these people $10,000 when I could be charging them a couple of thousand. I could be offering it as gifts because I’ve already got money. He had a nice $5 million home in Beverly Hills. Did he have to have that? I’m not saying that he can’t have it, but look at the whole picture.

Then the next thing is, am I going start to believe that I’m superior, that I have all this knowledge. And then, what are his other thoughts? What is his background as a child? I don’t know.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             Is there a part of him that feels, I don’t deserve to have this success, maybe I’m an impostor because that’s the other thing that most celebrities experience, the subconscious belief. All question. I’m an impostor.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Which goes right back to I don’t deserve this.

Patrick Wanis:             Yes, do I deserve it? Am I good enough? I ask this myself sometimes. When I’m on TV, I go, am I an impostor? I think it’s okay to ask that question if it keeps you humble. Humble isn’t about saying I don’t deserve anything.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             It’s about gratitude. Humility is connected to gratitude. Humility is I’m grateful for this gift you’ve given me. I’m grateful for this opportunity to be on TV.


I’m grateful to be here tonight to share my message with people. That’s what keeps me humble. But when I say, “You’re lucky to have me here,” then I’ve gone past that. I’ve gone to a whole different level. So there are – quickly, there are many people in the Oscars who expressed humility and gratitude. Natalie Portman thanked every single person she worked with; her hairstylist, the person who did her nails, the person who cooked her food, her family, everyone. But it didn’t come from a place of I’m not deserving. It came from a place with humility and gratitude. Tom Hanks, when he won the award for Philadelphia said, “I shouldn’t be here, but I am here because of the union of all these great people around me, the filmmakers.” He was expressing humility. He was also saying, “You know what? I’m not that great. Yes, I have a gift, but I’m not that great. Without these people, I’d be one person.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         And this would have been a better show last night if we had seen a lot more of that, but I don’t know that we saw a lot of that actually.

Patrick Wanis:             No, we didn’t. Natalie Portman was one example. I think Colin Firth is also very humble in the way that he expressed himself.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             I mean he said very eloquently when he basically said, “Look, I’m going to wet myself I’m so excited.

Filippo Voltaggio:         [Laughs]

Patrick Wanis:             You know, my legs are going crazy.”

Filippo Voltaggio:         Right.

Patrick Wanis:             But he said it eloquently. And then you have the people that want to get up there and tell the world how great they are, or Christian Bale, I’m very confused about because every time he gets an award, he tries to tell everyone, “You’re all so amazing. I really don’t deserve to be here.” I can’t work out if it’s coming from sincerity, insecurity, or something else.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Well, I don’t know about that.

Patrick Wanis:             Better leave that forward. It’s not relevant. It’s just a question because I’d like to analyze things as you can see.

Filippo Voltaggio:         As I can tell, and I can’t wait to have you back on the show. We could analyze other things.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you.

Filippo Voltaggio:        In the meantime, we’ve covered a lot of grounds. Thank you for helping wrap up the Oscars for us, the celebrities, and sharing with us the Law of Deservedness.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Patrick Wanis, thank you.

Patrick Wanis:             Thank you.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Well, what a great time to have Patrick on the show because this helped me understand more of what I like about the Oscars, what I don’t like about the Oscars, what I think there should be more of, what I think there should be less of.

Unknown Male:           I think that the points that you touched down at the end are some of the most amazing to me. That there seems to be more of a bifurcation between those that are there to move themselves up the ladder, and those that you can truly tell they’re to share the experience that will move other people.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah, I liked that. That was interesting when it’s not about them.

Unknown Male:           Yeah, which I don’t think there’s enough of, and that’s certainly not just Hollywood. That’s what’s there.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah. Actually, this applies to though they’re not on television worldwide being seen, but CEOs and presidents and managers and all kinds of people.

Unknown Male:           Yeah, very much. I think that this leads over in every aspect of life and largely why we’re on the radio, which is we’re battered into an age of authenticity.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Unknown Male:           Right? People standing in their truth, and more importantly, I think people are listening or hearing or with conscience, experience any of their feeling at different levels. They’re seeing through the BS, if you will, right? They’re not tolerating just the stories or the package that people have made for themselves of or what they’re bringing forward. They’re seeing through that to the integrity of where they’re coming from.

Filippo Voltaggio:         And actually, this is interesting because it brings me back to the point that I made at the beginning of the show about a world leader who might have gotten into himself, or his own power, or his own belief like Gadhafi, or you know, these others ones that are falling or the ones that have fallen. People are starting to say, “Oh, come on. Get over yourself.”

Unknown Male:           Well, yeah. And you’re seeing the difference, you know, with the Egyptian movement versus what’s going on at Libya, the depths of someone’s attachment to their ego or position, and their denial of what’s truly going on around them, you know, that separation, going out Libya is obviously a much, much harder road. That’s because the depths of attachment there is much greater whereas there was a willingness to move out of the way for the people in other areas.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh. And so I wonder because we’ve been talking about celebrities, I wonder how that’s going to change if – is it going to be the people saying, “Oh come on, get over yourself. You know, you’re not all that, you know. You’re just good at what you do.” Are the people going to realize that or…

Unknown Male:           I think it’s going to be a natural reaction. I think people have already started. If you watch the reactions to what’s going on with Charlie Sheen, because, you know, what we’ve been talking about, because he’s on top of that life. There’s a natural outpouring of response now whereas before, people would find things humorous or kind of write it off as kind of just the way certain people are. People are putting – they’re not tolerating it anymore or they’re calling the troops out a little bit more. There are people seem to be much more vocal about it where people are coming from, where celebrities are coming from.


Filippo Voltaggio:         Uh-huh.

Unknown Male:           What their reactions are, and whether or not considering the people around them. I think that was a big thing in this episode with Charlie Sheen from my perspective was how little there was concern for the people around him from his camp, but yet, those watching from the outside in were really concerned about everybody else involved in the show, and his whole team, and you know, the effect and how that was rippling way beyond just his micro cap.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah, because ultimately, an actor is an actor, yes, and they are playing a role, but their biggest role is that of themselves and where they go. There they are, and though they could portray something else, which is great, underlying, there is who they truly are.

Unknown Male:           An age of authenticity. So it’s an interesting time, and you know, everybody is adjusting to levels of truth in their own life, and you know, show time changed a bit. So the truth is starting to rise in the front. I mean the production value is now matched by people’s ability to kind of see past some of that. It’s interesting.

Filippo Voltaggio:         Yeah, actually – and you know what? It’s not just celebrities or as we said, CEOs or managers, right? It’s amongst ourselves as well. We don’t take as much from some of our friends or from some of our, you know, our coworkers. It’s like, you know, come on, you know. Let’s get past this. Let’s – get over yourself.

Unknown Male:           Yeah, exactly. Not taking much from them and not allowing them to dish out too much on ourselves. You know, we’re going back to that some of what you were talking about before the self-loathing or people kind of falling apart along the way. There’s a lot of this inability to just really cut to the truth and stand up for yourself a little bit more whether it’s in your own life, or whether it’s for your country, and you know, this fight for freedom. I think it’s kind of pervasive.

Filippo Voltaggio:         That takes me back to the beginning of the show. I could have been standing up as a child saying, “I have holes in my shoes and holes in my jeans, and I am proud. “And right now, I don’t have holes in my shoes and don’t have holes in my jeans, and I am still proud. And with that, I would like to say I am Filippo Voltaggio, and I am proud to have been of service by hosting Life Changes with Filippo Today. I, along with our producer, Mark Laisure, and our producer, Dorothy Lee Donahue, and our engineer, Seth Hendricks, thank you for being part of this show, being part of this world, and being part of the change we all wish to see in this world. Ciao everyone.

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